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July 02, 2007

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Selah,
While I certainly understand the kunundrum that some stories in the OT pose due to their anthromorphism of God & His Will (e.g. visiting earth & feeling sorry He ever created it) as it relates to His omniscience (e.g. how could He be sorry He created something that He knew beforehand how it would turn out?), I am reminded of James 1:17 which says that, with God, there is no variation or even a shadow of turning - which means to me that God could never 'turn from' or change His mind.
I see God as having ordained every single thing that has ever happened or ever will happen - even our sin. That is not to say that God tempted us (according to James 1 again), but He has included our sin in His perfect will. One example is the one you cited. The most heinous sin ever committed (in my opinion) was nailing our savior to the cross, and yet, according to Acts 2:23, that sin was the determined purpose of God. Even though Christ prayed that 'this cup pass Him by' - and He prayed with the earnestness of sweatdrops of blood - the cup didn't pass Him by - but He did conform to God's will. I think that's the key thing for us. I don't see prayer so much as an attempt to change God's mind as a time of fellowship when we submit to His will. James 4 says that we ask and do not receive because we ask amiss. When we reach that point of our walk when that which we desire is the betterment of others and not ourselves, we will see God answering our prayers - which is Him working through us to complete His perfect will - which is for us to be like Christ - which is for us to 'esteem others higher than ourselves.
I know you'll probably disagree with some of this - and that's ok - I'm not trying to make you believe what I do, just sharing what I believe. :)

Grace and peace to you today Selah,

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Anon: so if you see every single solitary thing that is happening or ever has happened or ever will happen as ordained by God--even our sin, then are you saying God creates sin?

James 1:14 & 15 say "But each one is tempted whe he is drawn away by his own (not God's) desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it give birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown brings forth death."

Sin is our own desires apart from God. It is man's own mind revelling in himself rather than God. It is choosing self over God. Are you saying God forces man to choose himself and his own desires over God's? selahV

Selah,
Yes - I do believe that God created sin. I forget the passage at the moment, but there is a passage in the NT that says God created ALL 'principalities and powers' - even the evil ones.

In my economy, God MUST have created sin because Christ had been the redeemer from eternity past & without sin, there is no need for a redeemer. Christ didn't become the redeemer after Adam fell - it was God's perfect plan all along for Adam to fall.

As far as God 'forcing' man to sin, I'm not so sure about that one. You are right that James 1 says God does not tempt us - we are drawn away by our own lusts. I do believe that God created us with certain 'bents' and that we, in our fallen state (even Christians retain their fallen nature according to Rom. 7), always 'choose' wrong/sin. It is only through God's grace and power that we can EVER do a righteous act. I don't believe that we have the strength or power to perform even one righteous act apart from the power of God - and that includes the act of salvation.

Again, though, I am not trying to get you to believe what I do - and I trust you're not trying to make me believe what you do. :) I'm perfectly ok with people thinking I'm a wierdo. :)

Grace to you today Selah,

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