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November 26, 2007

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chris gilliam

SelahV

Having spent 4 years serving under a pastor who got his PHD in church growth, I understand visitation. I have in various settings heard all the statements you list and even others. I vote for #4. I have seen many converts and few disciples. I have seen many baptized and few follow. I have seen many discouraged at seeing the same thing. Now I am still a proponent of visitation because I think it perhaps is one of the most effective ways of training and transferring passion for sharing the gospel.

That said, I would rather train ten who would never go out on visitation (after their training period) but truly share the gospel in real life and disciple people, than have 100 attend visitiation every week for years on end.

selahV

Chris, Thanks for your thoughts here. I wonder if folks do much follow-up on those converts who never follow. Think we need disciplers for visiting the ones who are converted?

And in most cases, we may just be visiting prospects who have visited our churches who are really looking for a place to call home. I've heard of some horror stories of folks doing the visiting doing more damage by going than staying in their recliners. Have you? selahV

chris gilliam

SelahV

We really worked hard at follow-through in NC. The People visiting were mature believers who began to understand the need to make more than "just say the prayer" converts. Other places I have minstered at I have seen people more interested in #'s. That is a big no no for me! Still I do recall a man who liked to wear out his welcome on the seat of his pants, particularly around supper time. Some of my fondest memories are of trainig others to share the good news. I recently received an email of thanks for training one of our fine missionaries years ago. So, I think if we work hard at training those we have and develop them to train others the passion continues.

selahV

Chris, I think if we can train others as we have been trained it would do more to further the Gospel than any other way of outreach.

I am blessed to watch my daughter and her husband serve as a result of their training and now am watching the fruit of their training in their sons. I highly suspect I have a preacher-to-be in our family. But would settle quite comfortably for a diligent servant in any church.

I don't get into the numbers either. Neither did my husband. I owe some very timid Christian ladies a great deal for their willingness to visit me. A story I shall tell on another day. Amazing how God worked in me through their faithfulness. selahV

ron


SelahV,
I would say the first 5 does very much apply I'm sad to say !

However I could not speak for other churches about #6 but PPBC members are a visiting church !

Blessings.
Ron.

ron


SelahV,
I would say the first 5 does very much apply with a lot of church members I'm sad to say !

However I could not speak for other churches about #6 but PPBC members are a visiting church !

Blessings.
Ron.

ron


selahV,
Did I get my point across !!!

Sorry about the duplication but if you would like you can delete one of them ! I do not know what happened !

Thanks
Ron.

selahV

Ron, I'd just thought about deleting that second one when I got your third and it was so funny that I couldn't bear to ruin the humor of the thread. I've done that before. One time my browser wouldn't connect and I kept hitting the button and it wound up posting the same comment to my friend Peter's site about 8 times. Thank goodness he deleted them. duh...so it's not our fault you see. it's the browser's. selahV

Colin

This is a really good topic to discuss. I am not certain which it is, but I do perceive that those receiving visitors are likely wanting them in their home far less than the visitors want to be there. But I would say busy-ness is a key factor.

Consider our schedule and current trends. A typical SBC church: Sunday morning and afternoon/evening, Tuesday FAITH, Wed. AWANA and Bible Study, Fri or Sat: event/youth event. Consider the myriad of sports and lessons kids are members of. Throw in the Thurs night small group or Bible study. Throw in a Bible study to reach neighbors. Throw in the time it takes for leaders to prepare lessons, etc, while maintaining a family and working like a dog all week just to put food on the table and allow his wife to stay home with the children. On top of this, ask them to get out into the world and get to know people and witness- by doing something else- namely visitation!!!

In all that, we have not included family time, or even family devotional time. I am not sure where the proper balance lies. I know that vistation should be emphasized in the church, but primarily to those in the conregation that do not have schedules filled. It is a seasonal activity, in my opinion- for those in the right season of life. So, possibly, visitation may be taken on by those in the church that doing everything else, anyways, and they grow weary.

selahV

Colin, Busy-ness does seem to rule our lives, doesn't it? I have thought about those who have more time should do this and to be honest, I find that those most responsive to visiting are those who are older without the responsibilities of childrern.

An interesting sidenote, though is that my 16 and 14 year-old grandsons wouldn't miss a visitation nite for anything. They love to go visit teens who have visited our church. And my daughter just hauls that little 14-month old cherub right along with her into the livingrooms of delighted prospects. Odd, huh?

I am going to write a post on this soon. And I will be sure to invite you to visit when I do. (pun intended). Thanks for giving me your words of wisdom. selahV

Colin

Selah,

I was venting my frustrations more than offering any wisdom. I do believe visitation is essential, that is why other activities in the church need to give way for it. Sometimes we need to make room for those times when we can have non-Christian couples over for dinner, or going out to do things not at the church to have more opportunities to witness, etc. Like I said, the balance is the issue, and I do not know what that is. That is why this topic is so helpful.

selahV

Colin, you're so funny. The vent is not the wisdom so much as the words you said that we need balance. And balance is the key issue in the situations where so many activities are going on. I'm worn out after just reading about them, never-mind maintaining them or participating in them.

I think the another key element is in those who "DO" visit, that they have the spirit which compels them to visit. I get to do this for the Lord. I'm going to get to be a part of something He is up to, rather than I have to do this. I think Chris and I touched on that a bit.

It is the leadership's responsibility to assure those who are there that they are called and those who aren't weren't, (at least for that nite's time, anyway). Guilt-trips make very unhappy Christians. Ya know? selahV

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